About “Shaikh” Muhammad Manaf of Trinidad

This is part of a g-mail conversation I had with Shaikh Abdul Hameed Al Haajuri concerning Muhammad Manaf who graduated from the Islamic University in the 1980s. And for the sake of clarification Shaikh Abdul Hameed was the first one to say that Manaf is a Hizbee without me putting any words in his mouth. And this was after he visited the Islamic Center in Kelly village where he saw mixing and heard Anasheed playing. This is the exact translation of the question and answer:

The second question: Some people still continue to defend the Hizbees like the one in the Islamic Center in Trinidad (Manaf) what is your advice to them?

Shaikh Abdul Hameed: We advise them to distance themselves from the callers of falsehood. The Hizbees have neither aided the truth nor damaged falsehodd. Rather they conquered the truth and aided falsehood.

14:00 me: السؤال الثاني ما زال بعض الناس يدافعون عن الحزبيين مثل صاحب مركز الإسلامي في الترنيداد ما نصيحتك لهم؟
14:01 ابو: ‫ننصحهم بالتمييز عن دعاة الباطل‬
14:02 ‫الحزبيون لا للحق نصر ولا للباطل كسروا بل‬
‫انهم للحق قهروا وللباطل نصروا‬

22 thoughts on “About “Shaikh” Muhammad Manaf of Trinidad

  1. Additionally I was witness to when Manaf bashed the Salafis on the Minbar in Nur-E-Islam in the year 2007 claiming that we make Takfeer of people unrestrictedly. And that we force the people to wear long beards and the thobe.

    Afterward I advised him on the issue. And I spoke to him in Arabic telling him that what he said was completely false and I quoted Shaikh Fawzaan on the issue of Takfeer and he kept quiet. Then he asked me:

    Manaf: Where did you get Salafi from?

    Musa: Shaikh Ul Islam Ibn Taymeeyah said: “There is no blame upon the one who follows the way of the Salaf, ascribes to it and shows it. Rather this is to be accepted by consensus because the way of the Salaf is nothing but truth.”

    Manaf: Then you are Salafi and I am Muslim!

    By Allah I swear that this was part of the conversation that took place.

    And yet there are those who call themselves Salafi who say it is waajib to work with him.

    Inshallah more statements of the ‘Ulama will come concerning this individual.

  2. Assalamu Alaikum,

    There are other statements about the brother that are important to note:

    1. Shaikh Abu Amr Al Haajori who knows Manaf personally said he is weak in his knowledge and is not fit to teach anything. And that he resembles a layperson. And this is recorded therefore whosoever wishes to obtain the recording can contact me.

    And in note of this, on a television program done on the 31st of October last year he said that if you want to grow a long beard then Masha Allah but do not force your opinion on others. And if you want to call yourself Salafi that is between you and your Lord but do not force your opinion on others.

    2. Shaikh Abdul Mussawir Al ‘Aroomi who I called months ago on this issue after a brother asked me to call a scholar about it (although he was not pleased after I gave him the verdict of the scholar). He said: “I advise the brothers to stay away from him.” And then that same brother after being upset with me, but Alhamdu Lillah I put him in his place, told me to call the Shaikh again to ask him about teaching in his Centre. And the Shaikh also said: “Stay away from his Centre.”

    And if one wants to know about Shaikh Abdul Hameed he can check this link:

    http://www.alzoukory.com/

    And if one wants to know about Shaikh Abdull Musawwir he can check here:

    http://www.olamayemen.com/sh11.html

    And if one wants to know about Shaikh Abu Amr Al Haajori he can check here:

    http://www.aloloom.net/olama.php

  3. Assalaamu alaikum, Brother
    May Allah reward you I have found that this blog has been of much benefit to me. The indifferent, unemotive language coupled with the referral to the ulema is much appreciated.

    I have a question, I pray that you are able to help me understand a few things…

    The website: medinah.com– people have been warned against it. I am a layperson and I do not understand what is really going on. I see that brothers are refering to the ulema of saudi and have listed a number of them. But salafi brothers and sisters say that they [medinah.com] are not to be taken from, regardless of who they say from among the scholars support them.

    Please clarify this issue. I do not speak with the people of knowledge, nor do I know a sufficient amount of arabic to be able to do so even if I were to have contact with them.

    I ask for Allah’s help first, then yours. I pray that you can clarify this matter for me.

    Jazakallahu khairun,

    Was Salaamu alaikum wa Rahamtullahi wa barakaatuh

  4. Madeenah.com has many calamities such as:

    1. Calling to elections. Which is clear from their article: “Confusion about elections.”

    2. Their constant war against Salafis who try to clarify the ‘Aqeedah and Minhaaj of the Salaf.

    3. Their making it seem that they are the ones who practice gentleness when in fact they have shown no mercy whatsoever toward the Salafis. And this has been articulated by Shadeed Muhammad who was part of their administration. And this is one of the signs of Hizbeeyah as stated in a book called : “The signs of Hizbeeyah,” by an Indonesian brother living in Damaj.

    4. Their deception toward the masses. As what occurred with Shaikh Subaiyi’ when he wanted information about Salafi Publications they said that he will have to wait a few days. And also their posting up the lies against Abu Khadeejah saying it was an advice. Also, they have taken a new face in contacting some students in Dammaj to express mutual hate toward Salafi Publications in order to slip their Tamyee’ Minhaaj through the back door in the west.

    In other words the Machavellian concept: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Furthermore, although I sent Shaikh Al Albani’s final position on elections to them they have not translated it up to now.

    5. They making it seem that they are with the Ulama and using them to gain their ends. And their motive is apparent since they have translated the book: “And again Oh Ahlus Sunnah be gentle to Ahlus Sunnah.” And this returns to point number three. However, the reality is that they are like the pots which call the kettle black.

    And as I said the Bayaan of Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Haadi about their condition is sufficient since he accompanied them and knows of them very well.

    and Allah knows best.

  5. Then, Now, what I don’t understand is the reference to their website on the list of salafi sites which can be found on the side here —>

    If this is not of your doing and something that the blog does by itself please explain.

    http://www.marok1.com/page.html

    Jazakallahu khair for your help (once again)

  6. Wa Alaikum As Salaam,

    I put that site up a few years ago since it contained many beneficial sites Alhamdu Lillah and it was somewhat like a one-stop shop for the Salafis. And Alhamdu Lillah it has a lot of good. And we have to be cautious in terms of what we are taking from when we go to websites.

    For example Islamway has many Hizbees who have recorded lectures on the website. However, it has lectures by Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen, Shaikh Ibn Baaz, Shaikh Ammaan Al Jaami, Shaikh Abdul Muhsin and the likes of them. So one cannot say it is totally Haraam to go on that site with the condition that he downloads the cassettes of the scholars.

    Also islamhouse and kalamullah websites have a lot of evil. But if it has books from the scholars of the Sunnah that cannot be found on other websites one must take these books and avoid the books of the Hizbeyeen.

    Now, the deviated principle of Muwazanah refers to reading the books from the innovators and listening to their speech. Hence, going in sites like these to obtain the books and tapes of the scholars would not be Muwazanah (counterbalancing the good and evil points) since one would be downloading the books and lectures of the scholars.

    And Allah knows best

  7. “SHEIKH MUNAF IS A RESPECTED MAN AND WE SHOULD RESPECT HIM INSHA ALLAH .AND ANASHEEDS IS NOT HARAAM ,AND ACORDING TO MY KNOLEDGE IS DOES NOT MAKE YOU A HIZBIYYAH OR WHAT U CALL IT .”

    Now, I am glad that you have expressed your feelings on the issue and this may be the sentiment of many in this country and as a result what I posted may be an extremely bitter pill to swallow.

    However, when it comes to matters like these it is compulsory to command the good, prohibit the evil and clarify the condition of those who engage in committing oppression. And without doubt Manaf, like many others have committed oppression by trying to make the truth look like falsehood and falsehood look like truth.

    As for calling him Shaikh Manaf, and calling this one Maulana and that one a Mufti no one in Trinidad deserves that title. And even if it was that they did deserve these titles due to their knowledge they have act upon it and relay it to others. And this is where the statement of Allah comes where he said:

    “Verily those who fear Allah are the scholars.”

    Secondly, as for the issue of Anasheed many of the scholars have said that this is of the major signs of a Hizbee (partisan). This includes Shaikh Zaid Al Madkhali and Shaikh Saalih Al Fawzaan.

    Additionally, Anasheed, where there are a group of people chanting in a rhythmic tone which sounds like music is an innovation. And it is from the Music of the Sufis which they use for worship and the Salaf named it At Taghbeer.

    Furthermore, the lyrics in the Anasheed often contain Shirk and the latest song by Sami Yusuf “You came to me” is an example of this.

    And what is most upsetting about this man is that he was there during the time of Shaikh Ibn Baaz, Shaikh Al Albani, as far as I know Shaikh Muqbil was studying his masters in the university, and other than them from those scholars who are known. And what is sad is that it is apparent that either he never asked them about these issues. And furthermore all of these issues are recorded in their audio recordings and books yet he does not even return to their speech and makes his own deductions about Islam’s true methodology.

    So we hope insha allah that he makes public repentance for what he said on the television and the Minbar. And if he does not then he will get sin for such and the sin of those who follow him.

  8. Dear misguided brother, what have you done for Islam?
    May Allah forgive you for bad talking just about every muslim who doesn’t call themselves “salafee”. Why have a reply section when only YOU and YOUR FRIENDS can reply?
    May Allah guide you my dear misguided person.
    This is most certainly not the way of Prophet Muhammad (sallahu alayhee wa sallam).
    Allah has spoken about people like you in Surah Baqarah. Make some time to read this instead of bad talking people.

  9. Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah my dear brother Abdullah,

    As I said this is the sentiment of many people in my country Trinidad. And this shows that we are really in need of truly understanding the religion as the Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam) and his companions understood it.

    Thing is, like many in Trinidad, if a Muslim was to swindle him hundreds or thousands of dollars they would go out in public and say that this Muslim is this and that and is an evil person etc.

    But when it comes to the religion that jealousy is not present. When public figures brainwash the masses to create an aberration about Salafeeyah we must remain quiet and say nothing. And if we do so we are like the hypocrites, and if we do so we are misguided and making Takfeer!

    This is when Salafeeyah is only following the Qur’an and the Sunnah according to how the Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam) and his companions understood it. And part of this methodology is to prohibit the evil according to one’s ability. And without doubt speaking against Salafeeyah (as I just defined it) is speaking against Islam in itself since Islam is the Sunnah and the Sunnah is Islam as Imam Al Barbahari stated in his book Sharh Us Sunnah.

    And from the methodology of the Salaf is criticism of men. Imam Ibn Sireen who was a student of Abu Huraira (Radiallaho Anhu) said: “… when the trials began to happen we used to ask them name us your men so if they were from Ahlus Sunnah we would take from them and if they were from the people of innovation we would leave them.”

    And I ask where are the Muslims from the Ahadeeth:

    “The Khawarij are the dogs of the hellfire.”

    And the Hadeeth:

    “The Qadareeyah are the fire worshippers of this Ummah.”

    And the Hadeeth:

    “Verily what I fear for you most are misguided leaders.”

    And the likes of that?

    People make it out as if the Messenger never criticized anyone at all. When it is that he censured all deviant groups and the deviants themselves who are from the Muslims.

    He said: “And every innovation is misguidance and every misguidance is in the hellfire.”

    Does misguidance being in the hellfire mean something intangible like an idea or a belief or is it that the person upon misguidance is threatened with the hellfire?

    And he said: “My Ummah will seperate into 73 groups all are in the fire except one.” The Companions asked: “Oh Messenger of Allah who are they.” He said: “They are upon what I am upon and my companions.”

    That means the Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam) showed at that those who deviate from his way and the way of the Companions he is threatened with the hellfire. In other words those who deviate from true Salafeeyah as I have clarified is threatened with hellfire and are classified as people of innovation. However, it does not mean that they are none Muslims since they are still from the Ummah of Muhammad (Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam). But rather, because of this major sin (bid’ah) which comes after Shirk (Major and Minor) and Kufr the Muslim is threatened with the punishment of the hellfire.

    May Allah bless us with beneficial knowledge and true understanding

    Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah

  10. Musamills said “People make it out as if the Messenger never criticized anyone at all. When it is that he censured all deviant groups and the deviants themselves who are from the Muslims.”

    I had no clue that the prophet (sallahu alayhee wa sallam) used to call people ‘Hizbee’. This is a sunnah that I am most certainly not familiar with.

    Post this reply if you are truthful.

    • Assalamu Alaikum,

      This is a very good question and it surrounds the issue of whether or not we ascribe someone to deviance which has been left unnamed by the Messenger of Allah (Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam).

      As we have seen, the Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam) spoke about the Khawarij and the Qadareeyah by name. However, this does not mean that other deviances have not occurred in the Ummah other than the Bid’ah of not believing in Qadr and the Bid’ah of revolting against Muslim rulers.

      Therefore, the scholars of past and present took from the Prophetic Ahadeeth the validity of ascribing a person to a deviant sect once their deviance is proven. For example, the Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam) never called the Shi’ah, the Jahmeeyah, the Mu’tazilah etc. by name, however can we derive from that that these sects are none existent? And of course the answer would be no since the Imams of the Salaf agreed with naming these sects as such.

      Therefore, when a person is named a Hizbee it means that he is ascribed to a people who do specific actions which conflict with the methodology of the Salaf such as accommodation deviant groups, listening to anasheed day and night, speaking ill of the Salafis and their scholars etc. And also covering the truth with falsehood and deception.

      And there is more on this issue of Hizbeeyah if you look in the Aqeedah section of TriniMuslims.com

      Barakallahu Feek for your comment.

      • So basically what you are saying is that this is in fact a newly invented practice? That’s good to know.

        Salafees were our great pious predecessors. People like you and me have no right to call ourselves that. We are muslim. Khalaas.

        Post this reply if you are truthful.

  11. Abdullah said “Dear misguided brother, what have you done for Islam?
    May Allah forgive you for bad talking just about every muslim who doesn’t call themselves “salafee”. Why have a reply section when only YOU and YOUR FRIENDS can reply?
    May Allah guide you my dear misguided person.
    This is most certainly not the way of Prophet Muhammad (sallahu alayhee wa sallam).
    Allah has spoken about people like you in Surah Baqarah. Make some time to read this instead of bad talking people.”

    And you say we are harsh people ?

    Allaahul Musta’aan

    • Musamills said “And in note of this, on a television program done on the 31st of October last year he said that if you want to grow a long beard then Masha Allah but do not force your opinion on others. And if you want to call yourself Salafi that is between you and your Lord but do not force your opinion on others.”

      Forcing people to do things in this deen is harshness brother. You CANNOT force a man to grow a beard or force a woman to wear niqaab. You can advise but you CANNOT force them to do it.

      I advise you to listen to Shaykh Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani (raheemahullah) as he advised:

      “My advice to you and to the youth, who are walking in a deviant line as we see it, and Allah is the most knowledgeable. That you do not waste your time talking about each other’s faults such as saying so and so said this and so and so said that.

      For firstly, this has nothing to do with knowledge. And secondly, this way (type of talk) only Hardens the hearts and this only causes conflict and jealousy between the hearts.
      (I advise you) To seek knowledge, For true knowledge will reveal if these are true mistakes, for there are plenty of mistakes.

      For example, if this person is part of a innovation. But at the end we will have to see if he is an innovator we have no reason to be looking into this. I advise not to get into this subject for the facts are many people are complaining.

      This group that is proclaiming to be from the Quran and Sunnah or as we call it “Daw’ah Al Salifia”, this group, Allah knows best the most (problems) are to restrain oneself which is inclined to evil..”

      He (raheemahullah) also advised:
      “..And stand steadfast as you are commanded (Hud 11:111)
      Seek knowledge, and this knowledge will differentiate for you between a righteous person and a sinner and wrong from right and don’t feel animosity for your brother..”

      There is more bad in this forum than there is good.
      Again I say, May Allah guide you.
      I take my leave, wa salaamu ‘alaykum.

      Post this reply if you are truthful.

      • “So basically what you are saying is that this is in fact a newly invented practice? That’s good to know.

        Salafees were our great pious predecessors. People like you and me have no right to call ourselves that. We are muslim. Khalaas.

        Post this reply if you are truthful.”

        My dear brother, may Allah ta’ala give you the guidance to seek knowledge and understand the Qur’an and the Sunnah. How can ascribing someone to deviance be an innovation when it was done by the Salaf Us Saalih and agreed upon by them?

        By your statement you are saying that ascribing people to sects like the Jahmeeyah, the Mu’tazilah, the Soofis, the Shee’ah etc is from the innovations because the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم did not speak of them by name!

        Ya Akhii, I advise you to read the explanations of these Ahadeeth which show us that the intention of the Prophet was not to say that there were only two sects in Islam (The Khawarij and the Qadareeyah) and it has come in many Ahadeeth that there are 73 sects.

        So are you saying that what the ‘Ulama of the past like Imam Ahmad and others in ascribing ideology to a deviant belief, deviant actions or the deviant founder of the ideology committed a Bid’ah in doing so? When it is that the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم ascribed groups to their founders, and when the Qur’an ascribed the religion of Christianity to a place called Nazareth and ascribed Judaism to Judah who was one of the sons of Ya’qoob?

        This is indeed amazing.

        As for calling ourselves Salafis then this is simply ascribing oneself to the belief and methodology of the pious predecessors. If you want more detail I suggest you go into trinimuslims.com.

  12. “Musamills said “And in note of this, on a television program done on the 31st of October last year he said that if you want to grow a long beard then Masha Allah but do not force your opinion on others. And if you want to call yourself Salafi that is between you and your Lord but do not force your opinion on others.”

    Forcing people to do things in this deen is harshness brother. You CANNOT force a man to grow a beard or force a woman to wear niqaab. You can advise but you CANNOT force them to do it.

    I advise you to listen to Shaykh Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani (raheemahullah) as he advised:

    “My advice to you and to the youth, who are walking in a deviant line as we see it, and Allah is the most knowledgeable. That you do not waste your time talking about each other’s faults such as saying so and so said this and so and so said that.

    For firstly, this has nothing to do with knowledge. And secondly, this way (type of talk) only Hardens the hearts and this only causes conflict and jealousy between the hearts.
    (I advise you) To seek knowledge, For true knowledge will reveal if these are true mistakes, for there are plenty of mistakes.

    For example, if this person is part of a innovation. But at the end we will have to see if he is an innovator we have no reason to be looking into this. I advise not to get into this subject for the facts are many people are complaining.

    This group that is proclaiming to be from the Quran and Sunnah or as we call it “Daw’ah Al Salifia”, this group, Allah knows best the most (problems) are to restrain oneself which is inclined to evil..”

    He (raheemahullah) also advised:
    “..And stand steadfast as you are commanded (Hud 11:111)
    Seek knowledge, and this knowledge will differentiate for you between a righteous person and a sinner and wrong from right and don’t feel animosity for your brother..”

    There is more bad in this forum than there is good.
    Again I say, May Allah guide you.
    I take my leave, wa salaamu ‘alaykum.

    Post this reply if you are truthful.”

    I just have two comments on this. Firstly what Manaf means by forcing is clarifying what Salafeeyah is and clarifying to the people that growing the beard is compulsory. And this is what people in Trinidad mean by forcing someone and this is garbage.

    However, if you mean that a person threatens someone’s life and tells him grow your beard or else or be Salafi or else this is what forcing someone is according to the Shari’ah.

    So the way in which Manaf used the word force is not that meaning that is intended by the Shari’ah.

    And secondly, I see that you are quoting Shaikh Naasir Ud Deen Al Albani to get your point across. I am amazed by this since the Shaikh “forced {according to Manaf’s terminology” people to practice the methodology of the Salaf and to ascribe themselves to them.

    What is even more amazing is that you said:

    “Salafees were our great pious predecessors. People like you and me have no right to call ourselves that. We are muslim. Khalaas.”

    When Shaikh Al Albani said that it is lawful to ascribe yourself to Salafeeyah and Shaikh Ul Islam Ibn Taymeeyah said that this is to be accepted according to consensus.

    So I really find it strange and amazing that you say it is unlawful to say you are Salafi yet you quote the one who revived this ascription of Salafeeyah to the masses of the Muslims.

    In any case, I do not intend for this to be a debate on this website. If you wish to speak further add my msn I.D which is shanatiq@hotmail.com.

  13. Listen to stop this debate I searched for your I.P address and I see that you are in Saudi.

    So just go and ask one of the scholars like Shaikh Fawzaan about Salafeeyah and calling someone Hizbee etc.

  14. Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah,

    From all indications it seems that this speech has reached far and wide which in reality does not bother me. Henceforth, it would please me for the brothers to tell me whether or not I have borne false witness as to the reality of this individual. If I have then please indicate thus. And if I have not (which I know I have not since I witnessed these things myself) then my advice to all of you is the following:

    1. Fear Allah ta’ala.

    2. Learn the Minhaaj of the Salaf as relates to dealing with the people of desires.

    3. Stop using Salafeeyah as a window dressing to propagate your falsehood.

    Now many may find that my speech is a bit strong. However, when dealing with individuals who employ deception, secrecy and cowardice as a means to get to their ends then such strong speech is required to get the point across.

  15. I hope what I put pertaining to Suhaib Hasan is a reminder to all of us not to work with the Hizbeeyeen.

    And just to add to that I will give some examples of foolish statements I heard from supposedly learned brothers pertaining to this situation of Manaf:

    1. It is compulsory to work with the likes of Manaf in Da’wah.

    2. If we do not include him we have no da’wah to give.

    3. We have to advise him (Very strange because their advice is not commanding the good and forbidding the evil when it is in front of them.)

    4. We have to look at the greater benefit (of having a Hizbee give Salafi Da’wah!!!)

    These guys regardless of what they have or what they return with must learn the Manhaj of the Salaf from:

    – Scratch
    – Square one
    – The beginning.
    – The roots

    Allahu Musta’aan

  16. Another matter which I forgot to mention is that Munaf told a Salafi brother named Haruun to stay away from the Salafis and to go with the Tableeghis. Then, after having a conversation about two months ago with a member of the IMG, Manaf claims that he is Salafi!! How much more trickery and two faced behaviour will Munaf employ??

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