Let us understand
“For those of you wanting to be fair and be objective, what Shaikh Salîm mentions in his answer is a must read and should be something that should be given consideration when looking at the whole affair. What he mentions corroborates other statements made by other scholars like Shaikh ‘Abdul-Muhsin al-’Abbâd that suggest that what occurred between Shaikhs Rabî’ and Abul-Hasan was not religious in nature, but rather, that it was something personal; the religious matters raised were merely a pretext. If one researches the various statements of the scholars from the People of the Sunnah concerning the religious and academic issues held against Shaikh Abul-Hasan, e.g., the issues pertaining to âhâd hadîth, taking a person’s summarized words according to his elaborate words (mujmal & mufassal), etc., this is the only possible just and fair conclusion one can come to. In any case, more of these issues (i.e., the academic, religious issues) may possibly be covered here in the future.”
This is a quote from our brother Rasheed Gonzales. I intend not to start any war of words with him because that is a waste of complete time and it has no benefit. However when someone says something incorrect we have to clarify and show our brothers that which is better. We have to be very cautious when speaking about the people of knowledge Ya Ikhwaan and we cannot be careless when doing so. Especially in dealing with scholars of the calibre of Shaikh Rabee’.
Now, no one can say that Shaikh Rabee’ is Ma’ssum, i.e all his judgements are correct. However whatsoever corresponds to the Sunnah we align ourselves to it and whatsoever is otherwise we throw it against the wall. Because as our noble Shaikh Yahya Al Hajuuri said, respecting the Ulama is respecting their Da’wah and their Manhaj (i.e the Salafi Manhaj).
Now many do not know the exact details of the Ma’ribi fitnah and to this a lot of evil has occured in the west. On one side they have taken matters to the extreme where they cut off those who don’t even know about the issues. And the other side have went to the other extreme in watering down the Manhaj of Ahlus Sunnah. And this is incorrect. Rather what we should do is go back to the Usuul, clarify to the people with evidences from the Kitaab and the Sunnah and the Ijma’ of the Salaf and whomsoever opposes that we know who is who.
Now I am afraid that many haven’t read in detail what Shaikh Rabee’ has written. And even if they read it they didn’t return to the books of the Salaf in Mustalah, Usuul and other sciences to understand what he wrote. In any case the Ma’ribi fitnah can be understood in 6 simple sentences.
(1) Tathabut: Meaning that even if an ‘Aalim of the Sunnah makes a statement about someone, who is not from Ahlus Sunnah like Sayyid Qutb, then he wouldn’t accept it unless he sees it for himself. And this no doubt is incorrect. Because our deen is taken from Thiqaat (people who are trustworthy).
(2) Al Muwazanah: This principle is one which Abu Hasan says that one has to speak well of the innovator when it is that one is mentioning his deviance. And this is Baatil. It is like saying, Auuthu Billah, may Allah have mercy on Shaitaan he gave Abu Hurairah some good advice (for Ayatul Kursi).
(3) Mujmal over Mufassal: Now before going into this. I should make clear what is Mujmal and Mufassal. Mujmal is speech that is unclear and can take up two or more meanings (like a double entendre). And Mufassal is speech that is clear and can only take up one meaning. This principle of Abu Hasan is the most devious of the principles. As it is one that says we cannot take a person’s speech as it is but rather once the person is from Ahlus Sunnah or is known to have fought the Ilmaanees or the Sufis we must make Ta’weel of his statement and think the best of it. This is again incorrect without any doubt. Because the Imams of the Sunnah would put those who use unclear speech e.g My recitation of the Qur’an is created, as the people of innovation even if it is that they may have been Imams of the Sunnah.
(4) We clarify but we do not destroy. And this again is a devious principle. And is a statement of truth wanting by it falsehood. And the likes of Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and Sufyaan Ath Thawri used to put people into the ranks of the people of innovation if they did an innovation or said a statement with the knowledge that it was an innovation.
(5) No Jarh Wa Ta’deel. The scholars have clarified this and even if some scholars say there is no Jarh Wa Ta’deel in this time we go with the Haqq. And no doubt as long as it has knowledge and its people it will have the need to know who to take knowledge from from those who not to take knowledge from.
(6) A wide Manhaj. Which is used to bring the Ikhwaan Al Mufliseen and Jama’ah At Tableegh into Ahlus Sunnah. The Manhaj is what Allah, his Messenger (Salallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) and his companions were upon. Not what the Tableegh and the Ikhwaan and those others were upon.
These matters although they may seem small are those who could damage the root of Da’wah as Salafeeyah. Hence Shaikh Rabee’ had to make it clear Alhamdu Lillah. And not Shaikh Rabee’ alone spoke of him. Shaikh Muqbil Ibn Haadi spoke of Abu Hasan Al Ma’ribi before his death. Shaikh Yahya An Najmi, Shaikh Zaid Al Madhkhali, Shaikh Ubaid Al Jaabiri and others. And they have clear Daleel and principles.
As for those who use to Kalaam of Shaikh Abdul Muhsin and others then bring the proofs that either what all these Shaikhs have said is incorrect or that the principles by which they refuted Abu Hasan Are wrong premises of refutation. Otherwise, I am sticking and I think everyone should hold on to the evidences. Not the personality.
jazakhallau khairan ya akhi Musa. A good way to let the awwam understand this affair.
JazakAllaah khayr akhee.
Just a small correction. The name of the Shaykh is, Shaykh Ahmed bin Yahya an-Najmi rahimahullah.
And again a reminder. There are some “Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)” below all your posts. These are generated probably by wordpress and you should get rid of them since many link to misguided blogs. I think you would have to do some changes to your settings. You can also contact brother Talha who has the blog theclearsunnah.wordpress.com . He also had a similar problem and now he got rid of that mashAllah.
as-Salam ‘alaikum wa rahmatullah, brother Musa.
May Allah reward and bless you for your comments to what I’ve written. Sticking to the evidences and not the personalities and individuals is good and something I emphatically encourage, and to Allah is the praise. There are a few things I would like to point out, however, regarding what you’ve written here.
Firstly, you said that “the Ma’ribi fitnah can be understood in 5 simple sentences,” but mentioned six, not five. You may want to correct that for your readers.
Secondly, among these six points you’ve mentioned, I did mention at the end of the statement you quoted from me that “more of these issues (i.e., the academic, religious issues) may possibly be covered here (i.e., my blog) in the future.” Some of these academic and religious issues were mentioned just previous to this. They were: “the issues pertaining to âhâd hadîth, taking a person’s summarized words according to his elaborate words (mujmal & mufassal), etc.” I also had some of the other issues that were raised during this controversy in mind, e.g., the issue of verification (tathabbut), as well as some others like the so-called ‘Ar’urî principle of we correct but do not destroy. So if Allah permits and has it written for me, I will address these issues on my blog for whoever is interested.
Finally, to brother Sajid: as you correctly observed, the possibly related posts found at the bottom are automatically generated by WordPress. You cannot remove them and as far as I’m aware, there is no setting to prevent them from being posted.
I have been Muslim for 11 years now, and upon the aqeedah and manhaj of the salafis-salih for 8 years, Alhamdulillaah. It is only recently that I realized that there are some people out there who call themselves salafi but who have some issues with Shaykh Rabi’ (Rahimahullaah). I’m really not understanding what any of this is about. Could you please shed some light on this? Where and how did it start? How to respond to these people who call me Madhakhila? Jazaak Allaahu khayran!
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah,
Jazakumullahu Khairan Ya Ikhwaan. Only one problem Ya Rasheed. Although Shaikh Abdul Muhsin mentioned that it was personal it has enough Daleel to show it was not at all personal but rather based on serious issues pertaining to the Manhaj of the Salaf. And I have only just summarise it for the Awwam and I rather not go into a lot of detail since at the end of the day it goes deep into Hadeeth and the sciences that branch from it.
As for Anonymous. Shaikh Rabee’ is a scholar from Ahlus Sunnah. I myself had issues with him when people were filling my ears with he is harsh, he is this he is that. However, when I sat down in Madinah and listened to his tapes about Ahlul Hadeeth I knew that he was a man who wants good for the Da’wah and a man who wants the pure Sunnah to be practiced without anything polluting it. And we thank Allah for his efforts in Da’wah especially in explaining the means and methods of the Ikhwaan Al Mufliseen.
However, as a new Salafi we should be concentrating upon Tawheed, learning the Usuul of Ahlus Sunnah as they are presented in the books of the Salaf and memorizing and understanding the texts. We should not concentrate on fitnah issues where we spend months dragging it on as this is a sickness. Rather if it comes, the Ulama have spoken or there is a need to mention and elucidate it then good. However, otherwise we should seek knowledge and do good deeds. Because we find in the past that with speaking about the people of innovation they memorized the texts. We should do the same and not overdo it. Meaning that speaking about innovators should not take precedence over memorizing and this is what all the imams were upon and there is a statement of Shaikh Muqbil where he elucidated on this issue. I hope Allah makes it easy for me to re-locate that post and translate it.
Assalamu Alaikum
A brief word from the late Imaam of Yemen, Shaykh Muqbil rahimahullah, concerning how to handle the constantly spinning merry-go-round of doubts, rumours and propaganda at the hands of the those who attack the da’wah of ahlus-sunnah.
http://www.troid.org/dawah/methodology-of-da-wah/how-the-callers-to-allaah-should-respond-to-false-propaganda.html
Brother Musa, may Allah reward and bless you.
Perhaps you don’t understand what I said. The point I was trying in my blog post was that when one researches the academic and religiously based issues held against Shaikh Abil-Hasan, one finds that in many cases, what the shaikh said was misconstrued and twisted. And when what the shaikh actually did say in those issues is considered, one finds that he has many scholars, minor and senior, who agree with what he says.
No one has to take my word for it, however. As I mentioned, I’m considering posting articles on my blog regarding some of these academic and religiously based contentions that were held against the shaikh for whoever is interested.
And finally, to “Anonymous”: contrary to popular belief, a person’s Salafiyyah does not hinge on his personal opinion of Shaikh Rabî’, nor does it hinge on any other personality associated with Salafiyyah for that matter. Salafiyyah is a methodology. It is based on evidences and texts, not on personalities and individuals.
Oh, I forgot to mention: I was told by a close friend that there is a way to remove the related links and prevent them from showing up on your blog. Here’s the link to the WordPress Support forum for how to do it: http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=36581
Assalamu Alaikum,
There are two problematic issues in this matter.
(1) “The point I was trying in my blog post was that when one researches the academic and religiously based issues held against Shaikh Abil-Hasan, one finds that in many cases, what the shaikh said was misconstrued and twisted.”
This is not true because of many factors:
(1) The Shaikh used as evidence not what he heard from people but rather what Abu Hasan himself wrote in his books and said in his tapes. So the Shaikh’s access to information was direct.
(2) Speech is taken upon what is apparant. Hence, as to what Abu Hasan said he was taken into account for such.
“And finally, to “Anonymous”: contrary to popular belief, a person’s Salafiyyah does not hinge on his personal opinion of Shaikh Rabî’, nor does it hinge on any other personality associated with Salafiyyah for that matter. Salafiyyah is a methodology. It is based on evidences and texts, not on personalities and individuals.”
This speech is also quite incorrect based upon the Ijma’ of the Salaf and the Ulama of the Manhaj. Rather one’s Salafiyyah is hinged on his opinion of the Ulama of the Sunnah who include Shaikh Rabee’ without a shadow of a doubt. If he loves the Ulama of the Sunnah then he is upon the Sunnah and if he dislikes them then no doubt that he is from the people of innovation.
And the evidence for this is what Imam Khateeb Al Baghdaadi said in his book the nobility of the people of Hadeeth : Evidences that a person is an innovator based on his hate for the people of Hadeeth. And we find that the scholars used to say test the people of Khurasan with Imam Al Bukhari etc.
And our deen is based upon love for the sake of Allah which includes loving those who practice the Qur’an and the Sunnah. And hate for the sake of Allah which includes hate for those who refuse to practice Tawheed and the Sunnah.
Hence undebateably part of the Usuul of our Manhaj is to love the scholars of the Manhaj. And if someone hates them or dislikes them no doubt he is an innovator. For example if one speaks about Shaikh Al Albani or Shaikh Ibn Baaz or Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen don’t doubt that that person is a person of innovation because one would never find a person of the Sunnah having an evil personal opinion about the Ulama of the Sunnah.
That statement is like saying one’s Islam does not hinge on his outlook on the Companions. And it does. Therefore, as the Ulama of the Sunnah have stated in the part and the present one’s Salafeeyah can be determined by his outlook on the Ulama of the Sunnah.
Barakallahu Feekum
One general advice inshallah ta’ala.
We have to be careful when saying Alim so and so said and Alim so and so said. People may ask: Musa are you saying we don’t go to the Ulama?
No, never would say such nonsense. However as Imam Abu Haneefah said: “It is Haraam for a person to relay our statements and he doesn’t know where we got it from.” This is a great principle that everyone who respects Salafeeyah needs to practice. Or else we are simply practicing Hizbeeyah because of the station of the person.
Hence when one relays any Fatwa of any ‘Alim he must be able to show how it is evidenced or else we may take up the mistake of an Alim and we don’t know.
I will give one example. One night for the Taraweeh, I think the 27th night the Imam of a mosque in Trinidad made the Du’a Khatmul Qur’an. So I sat in the back while they were making it and didn’t participate. Then I told someone that this is not based on anything whatsoever. He then said well Ibn Baaz said so and so (without evidence from the Sunnah). Imagine my horror I immediately got angry because there are other scholars who said that it is Haraam. And the person who told me that supposed to be a Salafi. By Allah that is not Salafeeyah at all and in fact it this is even contradictory to Tawheed as what Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab placed in his book as a chapter about obidience to the Ulama and the rulers in what is incorrect.
So, and I say Allahu Musta’aan the Salafis need to learn Tawheed and Manhaj. And once we learn Tawheed and Manhaj and proceed upon it Wallahi we will have no seperation. But when people keep on disregarding the Usuul we will have seperation.
Allahu Musta’aan
Anonymous,
You can find what the seniormost Salafee Scholars of the past and present say about Shaykh Rabee hafidhahullah by visiting http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=5527
Don’t worry about the nicknames people give you. People have given worse nicknames to others before you. Be satisfied in the fact that Shaykh Rabee is one of the most Senior Salafee Scholars of our time and whom someone like Shaykh Albaanee rahihmahullah described as the Imaam of Jarh wa ta’adeel of our time as you will find from the post on Salafitalk. The websites like http://www.rabee.co.uk and http://rabee.net/rabee_en/index.aspx have a lot of articles from the Shaykh. And don’t pay attention to those who say bad things about the Shaykh without knowledge. In case someone speaks bad about Shaykh Rabee out of ignorance then advise that person but don’t get into an argument.
May Allah reward and bless you, brother Musa. All I can really say is Allah is the One whom help is sought from and the One to whom the compaints are made.
Like you (as you stated earlier), I do not want to get into a “war of words” or even into lengthy discussion about these matters. What I will say for now is for anyone who is interested, these articles I’ve been referring to that touch on the academic and religious contentions against Shaikh Abil-Hasan al-Ma’ribî will be made available to people, if Allah wills.
The last thing I want to mention, and I pose this as a rhetorical question for those to ponder over. You quoted from Imam al-Khatib al-Baghdadi that one of the signs that someone is from the people of heresies is that he has hatred towards the People of Hadith. Consider this: According to Shaikh al-Albani, the two strongest students in the field of Hadith were Shaikhs Ali Hasan al-Halabi and Abu Ishaq al-Huwaini. As many are coming to know of right now, Shaikh Ali is currently being attacked by others, and Shaikh Abu Ishaq has been vilified and attacked for years now. Also consider this: Shaikh Abul-Hasan al-Ma’ribi is among the strongest students in the field of Hadith, such that Shaikh Rabi’ himself described him as a genius in disparagement (jarh) and accreditation (ta’dil). Regardless of what you say about their current status, these three shaikhs are undoubtedly from the People of Hadith. You hate them, according to your “golden principle”, you’re a heretic.
As salaamu alaykum akh Rasheed,
I would suggest that instead of working on those articles “which touch on the religious contentions against Shaykh Abul Hasan”, it is better if you directly just compile it in Arabic and send it to Shaykh Rabee, Shaykh Ubayd, Shaykh Al-Banna, Shaykh Abdullah Bukhari, Shaykh Ahmed Baazmool, Shaykh Yahya Haajooree and many others who had the issues with Abul Hasan. This is since you know Arabic so it will save your time and if these mashaykh see your point then it will be great for Ahlus sunnah.
All you need to do is write a small treatise and probably just cover a couple of points. No need for a long book and then fax it or email it to your contacts in Saudi and/or Yemen. I’m sure QSS canada has contacts there. If the mashaykh realize that you are right in those 2-3 points then they will inshAllaah accept them and probably ask you to write more. In case they don’t accept it then you can anyways post it on your blog. WAllaahu aalam.
wa salaamu alaykum,
Sajid
Wa ‘alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah, Sajid.
I’m sure those shaikhs have seen what’s been written so there isn’t any real need for the information to be presented to them. The English readers, however, are in a different boat, so may Allah reward and bless you for your suggestion, but no thanks.
Now, please allow me to offer you some advice. The same advice that was first mentioned here by brother Musa: priciples, not personalities. May Allah bless you, and guide us to what pleases him.
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah,
I deleted one of the replies of Abu Haatim because I thought it not appropiate for the discussion.
“, according to your “golden principle”, you’re a heretic”
Firstly my dear brother it is not of my principles. This is from the principles of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama’ah. Read what Imam As Saabuuni has said in his book ‘Aqeedah As Salaf Ashaabul Hadeeth in the section where he speaks about the signs of the people of innovation. And amongst them is the hate of the people of Aathar or evidences.
Additionally, this principle speaks about those who are upon the way of the Salaf not those who went away from it. Abu Ishaaq Al Huwainee, Abu Hasan Al Ma’ribi and the likes of them have been refuted using their own speech. So how can a person continue to be upon the Maslak of Ahlul Hadeeth and contradict the way of Ahlul Hadeeth?
Secondly, even if a person was a known scholar of the Sunnah then the scholars advise him and then refute him because of his persistance on his innovation then how can they be considered from Ahlul Hadeeth? A person is not of Ahlul Hadeeth because so and so scholar praised him. Rather he is a person of the Sunnah based upon his Aqeedah and Manhaj.
Look at the examples of Imraan Ibn Qattan who was one of the Imams of the people of Hadeeth and was spoken well of by the scholars. Then he fell into the innovations of the Khawarij and he was refuted. So was Haarith Al Muhasibi, and Karabeesi etc who were Imams in their time but because they persisted upon innovation they were put along the Imams of innovation.
So, we have to know the principle of Ibn Rajab: We don’t know the men by the truth but rather the truth by the men. And once a man follows the Maslak of the Salaf we know him by this and if one has fallen into serious error and persists upon them then they can never be upon the Maslak of the Salaf. Barakallahu Feekum.
And brother Rasheed I would challenge you to go to Shaikh Rabee’s site and read the essays he wrote on Abu Hasan Al Ma’ribi on these six issues I wrote in my first post inshallah and you would find evidences upon evidences as to why the Shaikh refuted him. Additionally research the books of Jarh Wa Ta’deel and Mustalah and you would find that the Shaikh inshallah has spoken the truth.
As for what has occured with Shaikh Saleem Al Hilali. I do not know of the Mashayikh who said he is a person of innovation. They have refuted his statements and inshallah good will come out of it. However, unfortunately we have a tabloid culture where everything is a latest press realease and headline. And this divides people into factions. We must approach these matters with an open mind and peaceful nature.
Barakallahu Feekum.
And Sajid’s point is important. Call the Mashaiykh who have refuted him including Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Al Banna who firstly is the eldest of all of them and secondly knows the Manhaj of the Ikhwaan Al Muslimeen best since he himself met Hasan Al Banna and saw the tactics he used.
You have it backwards, brother. It’s the men known by the truth, not the truth by the men.
Not to prolong this discussion, but f.y.i., I’ve read a number of Shaikh Rabi’s refutations on Shaikh Abil-Hasan. I’ve also read a few of Shaikh Abul-Hasan’s on Shaikh Rabi’. It was only after reading these things that I came to my conclusions, so may Allah reward and bless you for your concern.
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah,
Afwan for the typo error. It is that we don’t know the truth by the men but rather the men by the truth. From my previous posts it is obvious that I made a typo error. since in my responses I championned the concept of Principles and not personalities.
Also, I am asking you that in addition to this to research the books of Jarh Wa Ta’deel and Mustalah Al Hadeeth and also the books of Usuul Ul Fiqh in terms of understanding the Mujmal and the Mufassal. Thing is we should research these things independently but rather they should be backed up with further research from the well known books in these sciences and see if they correspond or not.
And from the principles is that a Jarh on a person who is known to be upon the Sunnah is not accepted unless it is detailed. And Alhamdu Lillah Shaikh Rabee’s refutations are extremely detailed in this regard showing his problems in Usuul which he himself took from Abu Hasan’s own speech in tapes and books. And Allah knows best.
That’s not a typo, brother. That’s a complete slip of the tongue/pen. If you want to know what a typo is, you can refer to this.
I understood what you meant by it, brother. I was merely pointing out your mistake. Now imagine I applied your earlier stated principle: “Speech is taken upon what is apparant[sic.” Had I done that, I would have accused you of blind adoption of men’s opinions and statements, or maybe worse, accused you of believing that the truth not what’s in the texts, but what comes from Shaikh Rabi’ or some other individual.
You should not always assume that those you correspond with are ignorant of the matters they speak about. F.y.i., I’ve read a bit about Hadith terminology (mustalah) and have quite a few books at my disposal if I need to refer to them, I’ve also read a bit on the fundamental principles of jurisprudence, and to Allah is the praise, I also have a number of books on disparagement and accreditation sitting in my library for reference. As I mentioned previously, I’ve read the arguments and came to my conclusions. I do not accept what Shaikh Rabî’ has said about Shaikh Abul-Hasan, nor do I accept what he says about Shaikh al-Maghrawî, or a few others.
This will be my last post in this discussion. As I said, I’ll be posting those articles. You’re free to read them when they’re posted if you desire. May Allah reward and bless you, and may He guide us to what He loves and is pleased with.
Assalamu Alaikum,
“Now imagine I applies your earlier stated principle: “Speech is taken upon what is apparant”. First of all this is not my principle this is a principle of the scholars of usuul. Secondly this is when there is no Muqaranah with the speech. And in my replies before there are several Maqarin. Hence the principle doesn’t apply there. And hence as you would know that the Mujmal must have what makes Tafseel of it. And yes it was a slip of the pen no doubt.
Secondly, I didn’t assume that you are ignorant about these issues. I am simply telling you to do some research on the issues inshallah. Maybe you did and maybe to get a clearer picture you should do it again as everyone does when they are doing different subjects.
Lastly when debating shari’ issues one should not assume that the other is attacking the other person. Rather one debates issues and doesn’t attack the other or look to bring down the other. As this keeps away from the spirit of the Islamic behaviour in debating. And the main thing is that one has Ikhlaas and tries his best to bring forth the Haqq
Wa Billahi Tawfeeq
It’s obvious Brother Musa just made a mistake and the usool “speech is taken upon what is apparent” is correct. But it can’t be used in his case because he took back his mistake. Remember Sh Rabi advised Abul Hasan for many years in private.
Also he was not the first one to refute him it was the Yemeni mashaykh from the seniormost students of Sh. Muqbil like Sh. Yahya Haajooree and others. Infact Sh. Muqbil himself refuted him before his death.
Brother Rasheed, knowledge is not just gained by books and tapes. It’s obvious that you don’t accept what Sh. Rabi said about Abul Hasan. Do u also reject what other mashaykh like Sh. Al-banna or Sh. Ahmed an-Najmi, or Sh. yahya or Sh. Bur’aaee, or Sh. Abdullah Bukhari wrote/said about Abul Hasan? Read and re-read what all these Ulemah have written and most importantly call them us and discuss with them if you consider them to be Ulemah of Ahlus Sunnah in the first place. Many times when we read or listen a tape we might know get correct understanding.
Since apparently you consider both Sh. Rabi and Abul Hasan to be from Scholars of Ahlus Sunnah and u know Arabic then why don’t you try to get them unified? In this case u believe Sh. Rabi is wrong, why not correspond with him? Why don’t you talk to him and discuss with him? It will be good for all of us. Imagine the great reward you will get. This will be much more useful than translating a defence of Abul Hasan which will just make those happy who speak ill about Sh. Rabee or those who want to stick with the personality of Abul Hasan.
For common Muslims who don’t know Arabic, I would suggest you better learn Arabic rather than read translations defending al-Ma’aribi may Allaah guide him and us.
For common Muslims who know Arabic, spend more time in memorizing Qur’an and memorizing ahadeeth and benefit from the websites of Ulemah like Permanent Committee, Sh. Rabee, Sh. Fawzaan, Sh. Ibn Baaz, and others. Sit at feet of seniormost Ulemah and learn from them and listen to their tapes. When we have access to the materials of the seniormost Ulemah of past and present then it is better to spend time in that rather than read/listen to those who are lesser than them.
The bottomline, sh. Rabee is from the seniormost of the Ulemah and no one except an ignorant or a misguided deviant denies that or talks ill of him. Don’t pay attention to those who call you Madkhalees. Ask them who their Salaf is in that regard. They won’t find anyone from Ahlus sunnah in that.
Many of the seniormost Ulemah have made detailed jarh on Abul Hasan al-Ma’ribi and have declared him to be a mubtadi. Whatever “knowledge” he had, you can find it elsewhere and are not in need of him. Don’t waste your time in reading about him or his defences which use sophistry. Remember one of the principles of Ahlus Sunnah is “Not to sit with Ahlul Bid’ah or to listen to their speeches.” Don’t get confused by those who try to tell you that this is a personal matter between Sh. Rabee and al-Maaribi. There were innumerable Scholars and Students of Knowledge who refuted al-Ma’aribi and neither was Sh. Rabee the first nor was he alone in doing so.
And another principle is “Tarkul Jidaal wa khusumaat” as Imaam Ahmed mentions in his Usool us Sunnah. Give up debating/argumentation and controversies. Hence this would be my last reply too.
WAllaahu aalam. SubhaanakAllaahumma wa bi hamdik ashhadu Allaah ilaaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa atoobuilayk. All the good in these posts is from Allaah and all mistakes are from Shaitaan and myself.
may Allaah guide all of us to the Siraat al Mustaqeem and bring Abul Hasan Maribi to the Siraat al Mustaqeem. may Allaah protect the mashaykh of Ahlus Sunnah like Sh. Rabee. Aameen.
Ma’ salaama.
Jazakallahu Khairan Yaa Saajid and this is the last post on the matter. Let us not drag this on inshallah.
Assalamu Alaikum
MashaAllah, bro Musa, though I dont agree with all what you said , you have clarified with good adab (unlike some of our brothers who have gone to extremes)
May Allah reward you
As-salaamu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullaahi wa-barakaatuhu,
Jazaakallaah khair yaa Musa for the important clarification.
I called Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee on 19th Feb, 2009 and asked him: What is the condition of Abul Hassan al-Misree, and the reply was:
“اما المصري فحدثت عنده انحرافات كثيرة هداه الله وايانا ”
I posted this on Rasheed Gonzales blog on his last post defending Abul Hassan al-Misree by quoting some old words of Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee. (I guess Rasheed Gonzales does not want to post it, hadaahullaah)
As for Alee Hassan al-Halabee, Maghraawee and Muhammad Hassan, then Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee has recently refuted them too.
السؤال :السؤال مرة أخرى يا فضيلة الشيخ – بارك الله – فيك ، سائل يقول : ما قولكم في المغراوي ومحمد حسان ، وما هو حال [ ..................... ] ؟ تفضل يا فضيلة الشيخ معكم اللاقط ….
أجاب الشيخ – حفظه الله – :أما عن محمد حسان فأنا تكلمت في حاله ، ومنهجه وبينت ذلك في كتاب ( الجماعات الإسلامية ) منذ سنوات كثيرة ، فالذي يظهر لي أن الرجل هو يعني يتبطن السلفية ! يتبطن … يظهر السلفية ويتبطن القطبية ، والرجل ليس على الجادة السلفية عندي بل هو يمدح القطبية ؛ ويمدح سيد قطب ، وينصح بقراءة كتبه ، بل هو نقال عن سيد قطب لكن بصورة سلفية !! ، أما المغراوي فأسأل الله له الهداية ، فقد كنت أحسن الظن فيه ؛ في سنوات خلت .. لكن الذي يظهر لي أنه على منهج منحرف ، منهج منحرف مغاير لمسيرة علماءنا الذين عرفنا عنهم السلفية .. عرفنا عنهم السلفية ، أسأل الله سبحانه وتعالى أن يهدي الجميع وأن يردهم إلى الجادة الصحيحة ، والله يتولانا ويتولى المسلمين .اهـ
(في لقاء الشيخ الحبيب أبي أسامة – سلمه الله – سليم بن عيد الهلالي أمس ، وتحديدا في درسه الثاني لشرحه كتاب ( الأصول الثلاثة ) ؛ للإمام محمد بن عبد الوهاب – رحمه الله – بتأريخ : 27 / شوال / 1429 هـ ، الموافق 27 / 10 / 2008 م ، )
السؤال : نظراً يا شيخنا الحبيب لكثير من الأسئلة الملحة المنهجية فإنه قد طُلب إلي وأُرسل إلي أكثر من سؤال ؛ فهذا سائل يقول : شيخنا الحبيب أبي أسامة هل اطلعتم على كتاب [ منهج السلف الصالح ! ] ؟ وما تقويمكم لما فيه من تأصيلات تخالف المنهج السلفي ؟ وجزاكم الله خيراً .
الجواب : الحمد لله ، والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله ، وآله وصحبه ومن والاه ، الحقيقة أنا كنت أريد أن أترك هذه الأسئلة إن شاء الله لجلسة .. أو للقاء المنهج ؛ ولعله يكون الأسبوع القادم إن – شاء الله – بدل من هذه ؛ جلسة الأصول الثلاثة وتذكرة ابن الملقن ؛ لأنني سأكون في سفر في مصر لأننا سوف إن – شاء الله – نرتب جلسة من هناك نجيب على الأسئلة المنهجية إن – شاء الله – ، لكن أقول بإجمـا .. بـ . . يعني جواباً مجملاً أن مشكلة كثيرٍ من السلفيين ، ومشكلةِ كثيراً ! ومشكلةِ كثيرٍ من الناس أنهم يريدون أن يجعلوا ؛ لكل واحد يجعل لهم منه قواعد وأصول وتقعيدات ، وكأن الدعوة السلفية لم تقعد ولم تؤصل ( ! ) ، ولم يترك .. يعني يقول فيها العلماء من قبلنا قولاً لم يدعوا فيه لمتأخر القول ، وكل واحد يأتي لنا
بـ [ تقعيدات وبأصول !! ] ، فمن تقعيدات عرعور إلى تقعيدات هذا الكتاب ( !! ) ، الذي لاحظته أن هذا الكتاب[ كتاب فتنة !! ] ، وأنه أتى بتقعيدات ما عهدناها على صاحبه ! من قبل !! وإنما هذه نغمة جديدة ! نراها منه ونسمعها منه ! عالجملة يا إخواني – بارك الله – فيكم ، ومعذرة على الانقطاع ، أقول بارك الله فيكم ، أن هذه القواعد التي جاءت في هذا الكتاب ؛ هي قواعد أراد مؤلفه أن يفصلها لكي يبرر أو يسوّغ لنفسه ما هو فيه الآن !! هو ومن صار في مركبه ! من تزكية لأهل البدع ، وأهل الضلالات ؛ مثل : محمد حسان ؛ وغيرهم ممن جرى في الساحة أخيراً ، هذه قواعد فصلوها لكي يجدوا لأنفسهم لباساً شرعيا ًحول ما هم فيه الآن !! أن هي قواعد فيها مخالفة كبيرة لقواعد المنهج السلفي الذي تربينا عليه على يد مشايخنا الكرام الأكابر ، وهذا أسأل الله سبحانه وتعالى أن يهدينا وإياهم سواء السبيل … نعم .اهـ
(بعد انتهائه من تعليقه المبارك على كتاب [ الأصول الثلاثة ] للإمام المجدد المصلح / محمد بن عبد الوهاب – رحمه الله – ، بتاريخ 23 / محرم / 1430 هـ ، في نقض كتاب علي الحلبي – أصلحه الله – المسمى بـ [ منهج السلف الصالح في ترجيح المصالح ، وتطويح المفاسد والقبائح ، في أصول النقد والجرح والنصائح ] : )
Brother Musa i think it would be better to delete ALL of Rasheed Gonzales posts since we are of no need of his doubts. The major scholars will suffice for us insha’allah, not mere claimants of knowledge. JazairkAllahu Khayr
Beware! Rasheed Gonzales spreads shubuhaat, secretly attacks shaikh rabee’, defends the ahl al bid’ah, and is a close associate of Abu Usaamah ad -dhahabee, the kadhdhaab who is a raafidee slanderer of the companions faking sunnah and salafiyyah. May Allaah save us.
Thanks 4 d lil advise bro .And keep up the good work
Thanks 4 d lil advise bro .And keep up the good work
وَقُلْ جَاء الْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَاطِلُ إِنَّ الْبَاطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا
Jazakuma-llahu khair Brother Musa and Brother Sajid.
Indeed Truth prevails over falsehood and none accepts it except the sincere .
Abu Ibraheem