Their ill speech about Shaikh Ubaid Al Jaabiri, Abu Amr and Shaikh Muqbil
No doubt we have seen the brothers from the Siraat-Ul-Mustaqeem forum fall into this and we have already discussed the issue dealing with Shaikh Rabee’ Ibn Haadi. Now this contains some of the evil speech they have used on their site:
http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=4116
Assalamu alaikumJUST ONE QUESTION!!!Could anyone ( especially those at SP, as it is well known that you all read this HIZBEE website) or anyone else who also reads this HIZBEE website please reply to the follwoing.
What is Allaamah Ubeid ’s background? in particular1. Where has he studied and Under who?
2. Who recognises him as an Allamah or Major scholar of our time?
3. Who said he is qualified to give fatawaa?
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However, in response to this we say that the likes of Shaikh Yahya An Najmi and Shaikh Rabee’ Ibn Hadi Al Madkhali have praised Shaikh Ubaid Al Jabiri. Shaikh Yahya called those who say that Shaikh Ubaid is not from the Kibaar is in fact a Jaahil. (Refer to “Uncovering the Ikhwanis who hide under the Salafi cloak). Shaikh Rabee’ has said also that the one who says that Shaikh Ubaid Al Jaabiri is not for the Kibaar is in fact a Hizbee.
And I ask them, can they give any statements of the Ulama which shows that Shaikh Ubaid is not an Alim? Or is it that Shaikh Ubaid speaks against them. It is weird that they would state that they would quote Shaikh Wasiyullah in saying that Abu Usamah Adh Dhahabi is a person who has knowledge and yet they see Shaikh Ubaid As nothing.
Then we have their speech (which they took from Shaikh Wasiyullah) calling Shaikh Abu Amr a Jaahil just because he said that Jam’iyyah Ahlul Hadeeth is a Hizbee organization and that Suhaib Hasan is Hizbee(not upon the straight path).
Again it is Ajeeb that they would take the speech of one scholar and not take the speech of other scholars. They call this one and that one Jaahil yet they let the likes of Yusuf Estes speak in their Masjid.
Shaikh Abu Amr has been a student for many years in Dammaj and has memorized Saheeh Bukhari and Muslim. He has also written many books in the different sciences. And has been praised by Shaikh Yahya Al Hajuuri who knows him better than anyone outside.
I ask: Shaikh Abu Amr is a Jaahil and Usama Adh Dhahabi is not?
Quite strange when we think about it. And we have to consider the fact that Shaikh Muqbil himself spoke about Suhaib Hasan and told the people to leave him to address the walls. Also Shaikh Yahya Al Haajuri said in answering questions from Cardiff said that Suhaib Hasan is Munharif (not upon the straight path). Would they take their speech?
Rather they only take the speech of Shaikh Wasiyullah in order to protect their Jama’ah when behind the scenes they keep insulting scholars (Such as Shaikh Ubaid and Shaikh Rabee’) and students of knowledge. Where is the statement of Allah : “Do justice for this is closer to Taqwa”?
This is a problem with Usuul. We as Muslims do not know the truth by the men but rather we know the men by the truth. Therefore whichever statement accompanies evidence we are to take it even if it is the smallest of the students of knowledge . And if a statement of a scholar doesn’t accompany evidences we leave it alone for the evidences.
Even worse than this they have chosen to attack Shaikh Muqbil. Look at this my dear readers and ask yourselves if anyone with any inclination toward Salafeeyah say this:
This is from their Taamaat Oh brothers. They don’t even fear Allah enough to leave Shaikh Muqbil out of this. Evidence for those who have eyes to see:
http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=4326
Salam aleykumHere is a tape where SHaykh Muqbil said to ibn Utheymeen to fear Allah and criticised him for his Fatwa of entering parliements
http://www.geocities.com/asd4004asd/wadi-oth2.mp3
And there are tapes in which he said the same to ibn Baz and Albani as well, to fear Allah for their fatwa on entering parliement.
So why did Ghulat forgot to mention who SHaykh Muqbil was criticising Ibn Baz, ib Utheymeen and Albani for entering parliements.
Who are major scholars, ibn Baz, ibn Utheymeen or shaykh Mubil ?
Anyway, Shaykh Muqbil can be right, but one should present sayings of scholars with honesty…
And this is not a matter with which they can attack Jam’iyah Ahlil Hadeeth
May Allah save us from ghulat.
Ajeeb my brothers and sisters isn’t it?? After Shaikh Uthaimeen said: Go and tell Shaikh Muqbil that he is the Mujadid (this will be clarified inshallah in thepost {the praise of the Ulama for Shaikh Muqbil} And after many scholars have praised him.
Didn’t Shaikh Hamuud At Tuwaijaree admonish Shaikh Al Albani in many of his books which he showed the compulsory nature of wearing the Niqaab. And didn’t Shaikh Al Albani do likewise but yet brotherly love remained? And we still say that they are from our Kibaar? If this is the case why can’t Shaikh Muqbil admonish Shaikh Ibn Baaz, Shaikh Uthaimeen or Shaikh Al Albani about going into parliamentary elections?
Putting that aside why would the writer of this post try to insinuate that Shaikh Muqbil is not from the Kibaar by saying:
Who are major scholars, ibn Baz, ibn Utheymeen or shaykh Mubil ?
Is is that he wasn’t from the Kibaar or was it because he spoke about Suhaib Hasan? Of course we have the statements of the Kibaar themselves which attest to the reliablity of Shaikh Muqbil hence no one doubts that the opposite is true.
The one’s who post on sirat-e-mustaqeem chose to confuse the reader by questioning the reliability of Shaikh Muqbil. They should truly repent to Allah ta’ala and ask themselves whether or not they are following the Sunnah.
Allahu Musta’aan.
Asalamuaalykum akhee,
for a along time i was confused about sh.suhaib hasan. I asked sh.suhiab about this and spubs wont say on salafitalk that when the respected imam muqbil (r) spoke agaisnt sh.suhaib , he wrote a letter to sh.muqbil saying why didnt you clarfiy these charges with me as allah says (nearst meanig) in surah hujrat that if a fasiq brings news to you verfiy it…
one of the shaykh’s student from england was going to study with imam muqbil and shaikh suhaib said to his student give this letter to sh.muqbil. Sh suhaib told me he waited and waited for a responce but never got one and sh.muqbil passed away (r).he told me he found out recently that his studnet was being confused by those bros and england and told him not to go give the letter to imam muqbil.
allah knows best but if sh.muqbil knew this he would be the first one to free himself from spubs. if you want to verify it email the sh. himself at suhaib@hotmail.com
shaikh suhaib hasan is a well know scholar. who studied with the salafi ulama of pakistan ( especially under his dad)and completed in 1960. and went to madinah 1962 and studied with the KIBAR ULAMA, sh.ibn baz, albani,sheenqeeti, abdulmuhsin abbad, hamad ansari(rahimullahanhum) on all of them and his other teachers. It well known that there was no one closer in england and maybe even in pakistan to sh.bin baz than sh.suhaib hasan. These spubs and troid ppl, they keep claiming to be connected with the ulama (whatever that means). sh.suhaib studied at the FEET of the IMAMS OF SUNNAH from our eara. verses those who copy and paste translated fatwas on forums and they compeer theseleves with him and claim connection withthe ulama,subahanallah, its well known the sh.suhaib hasan would take hajj groups to saudi and take his group to sh.ibn baz(r) and translate for him. He would have ibn baz give lectures on telephone and put them on micrphone over his masjid tawhid in london.( if you want to verfiy see the IBN BAZ FOUNDATION
in arabic http://www.binbazfoundation.org/autohtml.php?filename=binbaz/b5.htm
then in english http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.binbazfoundation.org/autohtml.php%3Ffilename%3Dbinbaz/b5.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25D8%25B5%25D9%2587%25D9%258A%25D8%25A8%2B%25D8%25AD%25D8%25B3%25D9%2586%2B%25D8%25B9%25D8%25A8%25D8%25AF%2B%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584%25D8%25BA%25D9%2581%25D8%25A7%25D8%25B1%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D8wD%26sa%3DN
It also well known the the sh was sent by darul ifta of SAUDI ARABIA after he graduted in medinah to do to kenya for dawah and then england. he is even a RELIGIOUS ADVISOR to the SAUDI EMBASSY in london
The hasan family has done 5 GENERATIONS of salafiya dawah wherever they are, wheather india, pakistan or england. even sh. suhaib hasan dad allamah abdulghaffar hasan (r) was the shaikh of the respected sh. rabbe. but the brothers spubs dont put that on their website.
i hate to bring our dear and beloved brother dawid adib in this. he has done a great service to salafi dawah in west but it must be brought up. Have you wondered why the spubs crew isnt promoing dawud any more. lets see after he made hijrah to saudi, they were about to arrest him becaus he was spreadig the ghullo of the ghullat and saudis wanted to lock hiim up so he fled to egypt. you wont see that of spubs.
these ppl are human and they do ijtihad and we should excue them if they did wrong (but we shouldnt justify it).
Salamu alaikum Akh Musa
Do you have a reply\comments to the comments of ibn sabz
A reply to brother ibn sabz…
Asalaamu Alaaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu
I pray you are in strength of Emaan. And I pray to Allaah to give us the right knowledge and Guide us and Grant the Ummah to loving the truth and its people. {Aameen}
My brother you have made a number of points…I will try to answer some of them – since on one has answered your comments for sometime.
My brother if you are confused you should speak to the people of knowledge – the Ulaama who said that Suhaib Hasan is a Munharif and other then that. What is the point of speaking to Suhaib Hasan? Do you think that Suhaib Hasan is going to say I am a bad person don’t take knowledge from me?
The Imaam of Yeman Shaykh Abu Abdur Rahman Muqbil bin Haadee al-Waadi’ee (Rahimahullah) speaks regarding Suhaib Hasan and his Jamaa’ah and refutes their false positions – letter or no letter from Suhaib Hasan – that is sufficient!!
Al-Khateeb said (Al-Kifaayah pg.142):
“That the people of knowledge have agreed that the one who has been critcised by one or two and has been praised by the same number as those who made Jarh upon him, that indeed the Jarh (which is explained/detailed) is more deserving (To be accepted). The reason for this is that the one criticizing is informing us of a hidden matter which he has come to know of, so he affirms (that which the one) who has praised him (has said), and it is as if he is saying to him that I know about his apparent state what you know and I possess alone knowledge which you do not know due to examining his affair…..”
As for the issue of the letter that Suhaib Hasan wrote to the Muhaddith Muqbil ibn Haadee (rahimahullaah) in which he fully explaining himself and his side of the ’story’ – Shaykh Muqbil’s response was to REFUTE HIM AGAIN, as now Shaikh Muqbil was even more certain of the errors of Suhaib Hasan! So the reply of that letter was a tape refuting him again.
To add to the above…
Shaikh Yahyah Al-Hajooree visited Birmingham in 1998, saw the grievous errors of the Jamiat first hand over a period of three weeks, and advised them, to no avail. Then Shaikh Yahyah recorded a tape in Luton rebutting the doubts of Suhaib Hasan and warning against his errors. Shaikh Muhammad ibn Haadee, from the Scholars of Madeenah, likewise advised Suhaib Hasan in 1997 and 1998 about his errors – again to no avail.
Ash-Shaykh Al-Allaamah Al-Muhaddith Muqbil bin Haadee al-Waadi’ee (Rahimahullah) advised the Salafis with the following:
“As for the question of how you are to deal with him(Dr. Suhaib Hasan), then if you are able to prevent him from your masaajid, then prevent him so that he does not corrupt the hearts of your youth. But if you are not able to prevent him, then when he comes, you depart from the masjid and leave him to address the pillars in t he masjid! Do not sit with a deviant, one who is astray.”
Imaam Muqbil Ibn Haadee (rahimahullaah) advised and rebuked Suhaib Hasan, over ten years ago. Likewise Shaikhul-Islaam Ibn Baaz (rahimahullaah) and his brother from the ulamaa of Riyadh advised and corrected Suhaib Hasan over ten years ago – In a reply to a question from Dr. Suhaib Hasan. But did Suhaib Hasan and his followers rectify? Not in the slightest!
To this date, you find him praising the people of bidah the likes of Dr. Yusuf Al-Qrdawi and Hamza Yusaf and other then them. To the extent that his followers and even his son Dr. Usamah Hasan are signatures to the pledge of “unity” with the Sufis, subhan-Allah. And subhan-Allah – Usamah Hasan – I don’t even want to start on him. But since he has come up, it was not so long ago – about a few months back – he came on TV (a chat show) in the U.K and some kafir was complaining that – why don’t Muslims like dogs? So Usamah said that “Islamic scholars for Europe” have given a fatwa that all Muslims in Europe should keep dog…lol.
Back to Suhaib Hasan – As for the fact that he has studied under so and so – I ask you my brother, what good is that if you are not upon what your shaykhs are upon. Just as a side point this reminds me that Suhaib Hasan used to say that he is a “student” of Al-Albaani. So Shaykh Ali Hasan asked shaykh al-Albaani about his “student” Suhaib Hasan. So what did shaykh al-albaani say: “I don’t know him”.
My brother they are people who have more knowledge then Suhaib Hasan and they are upon bidah, so what good is that knowledge?
When the like of Muqbil bin Haadee al-Waadi’ee (Rahimahullah) speaks regarding Suhaib Hasan, with clear proof, then it is not for me or you to e-mail him and ask him why did Shaykh Muqbil refute you. Rather if he (Suhaib hasan) wants to clear his name then let him repent to Allah for his ikhwani manhaj and speak to the ulamaa the like of over father Shaykh Rabee and other then him from the ulamaa of Saudi. And come back to the Haqq.
And Allah knows best.
Your Brother In Islaam
Abu Habibah Raashid
Asalaamu Alaaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu
asalamalikum,
we have not gained from any of this talk, he said she said
if anyone has a problem veryfying some knowledge they can get the phone number of the grand mufti or scholar/veryfying question and give them a call.
if that is not possible then just keep quiet. stop talking in endless circles where neither party can verify anything.
most of what i see from the students of knowledge is a lot of useless talk- it is useless because nonody seems to verify anything. please dont go over your limit.
Wa Alaikum As Salaam,
Actually it is verified. It is on their own website my brother where they speak ill of some of the major scholars and where it is permitted on their forums. And the evidence is there. Hence whoever choses he may either choose he road to destruction when the clear evidence has come or the road of safety.
Allahu Musta’aan
This reply from MJAH is full of baatil principles and mixing the truth with falsehood to make the falsehood appear correct. Even if some mistakes were made by our salafee brothers at salafipublications, as no one is free from error, it is clear that in reality MJAH and ihyaa turaath are organizations that are upon ikhwaanee principles, cloaked in in the garb of sunnah and salafiyyah, far away from what the actual salaf were upon, the likes of the sahaabah, radi’allaahu anhum, the taabi’een, like Imaam ibn Sireen and Hasan al basree, and the other aimmaah of the past, the likes of Imaam Maalik and Imaam Ahmad and so many others, raheemahumallaahu jamee’an, who did not compromise the principles of ahl as sunnati wal jama’ah. How can they excuse Suhaub Hasan’s praise of Hamza Useless, a soofee ash’aaree munharif, amongst other grave errors? Making excuses for the baatil they are upon and belittling others instead of accepting the haqq and making tawbah, and moving on. Were the salaf upon this type of methodology? Kallaa!
These people are dangerous because they hide under the major scholars using tricks and deception, such as old tazkiyaat. Suhaib Hasan throws around some old statements of Imaam ibn Baaz, raheemahullaah, to support himself. Even the tableeghees have done this exact same tactic, but when shaikh ibn Baaz knew the details regarding them, he called them one of the 72 sects of the fire. The reality is we follow the haqq over all men, not the other way around. Wa billaahit tawfeeq.
The evidence are there in the clear against JAHUK it is not SP who refuted them rather it is the Scholars. You can make as much excuses as you like or try and debunk the decisive proofs which go against you but the fact remains JAHUK’s manhaj is not sound at the least. JAHUK is a hopeless case for the spread of the dawah in the west. they have only brought harm to it and confusion amongst youth who believe it is okay to participate in democratic elections, something which is in clear opposition to the Sunnah. It is ironic that they have so many errors in their manhaj proven by the usool of the salaf yet they continue to ignore them and on the contrary accuse those who try to correct them. By Allah it is the disease of hizbiyah which is preventing them from accepting the truth. I believe it is wrong to call them ‘Ahle hadith’ if they were truly from the people of hadith they would never have participated in such activities like elections, Mawlid, praising people of innovations, aiding socialists in their dawah, speaking ill of the noble scholars of this blessed dawah etc, etc.
Allahu Musta’an
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http://markazmuaadh.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=22&Itemid=41
Jamiat Ahlul-Hadeeth UK | Exposition File
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=6603
Shaikh Falaah ibn Isma’eel refutes Jam’iyyah Ahlel-Hadith (UK), Jam’iyyah Ihyaa at-Turaath, Abu Usamah Dhahabi and Suhaib Hasan:
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=7061
asalama alaykum
May Allah reward u and continue to keep us on the straight path.indeed it is the truth that should be followed and not the men because any body can go astray except the one Allah has mercy upon.This man Abu Usamah came to my country to decieve the brothers and a lot of people look at him as a knowledgeable person and alim even though it is clear he his not among the salafiyeen .i once asked about Sheikh Rabee from one of the brothers that met abu usama and he said that the brothers in the west are blind followers of sheikh Rabee and that sheikh rabee once gave a fatwa dat ikwan were kuffar.may Allah be praised i have seen the evidences against this man and i have read the praises of the scholars for the sheikh rabee.
please do u know the author of islamlecture.com.his he upon the salafi manhaj.i have downloaded alot of the lectures from his site.
insha Allah if u need any other information concerning abu usama trip to my land u can mail me.